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David Leonhardt said...

Hi Emma.

You see a somewhat similar issue with supporting characters being re-introduced into a work after a long absence. The character might have been seen on pages 13, 14 and 16. Then on page 154, they strut onto the page as if they were important enough for me to have remembered them from reading those opening pages three weeks earlier. I see this even in (especially in?) long magazine articles, where I might not even pay attention to the name of the person being quoted the first time (not relevant) but assume later on in the article that I'll remember what role the name is attached to.

Emma Darwin said in reply to David Leonhardt...

Yes, that's a good point. And yet I've also come across books where that kind of character (or indeed place) shows up again, and is solemnly labelled as if I'd never met them before. (I am quite a fast reader, I should say) - which is really a failure of line-editing, I would say.

The art of giving the reader just enough of a re-cap to bring the character back to mind, without making us feel as impatient as one is being told the same story all over again, is quite subtle.

Mal said...

Hi Emma
Really enjoying the Itchy bitesized articles. Two topics I would love to see you comment on are when to use chapter breaks. I understand the role of scenes but chapters seem much more more ad hoc. The other area I'd love your views on are writing a series as opposed to a standalone book. Sorry if you have covered these elsewhere in the past - if so maybe you could flag up where to find. Thanks.

Emma Darwin said in reply to Mal...

Hi Mal - I'm so glad you're enjoying Bitesized. And two terrific ideas for pieces, too - thank you. I'll definitely put them on the list!

V.M. Sang said...

An excellent post. I gave up reading one book because the author didn't start a new paragraph when a new speaker said something. It became rather confusing.

Emma Darwin said in reply to V.M. Sang...

Oh, yes, that can be very confusing. As with not using speech marks, there *are* ways of making it work - but you *really* have to know what you're doing, and have readers willing to go with you.

Neil said...

If there were unidentified members of a crowd calling out different things would you put them on separate lines or treat them as one entity and put them one after the other?

1) A mob passed the house. 'Free meals,' one called. 'Beer not water.' They were getting more angry, 'Go home.'

2) A mob passed the house.
'Free meals,' one called.
'Beer not water.'
They were getting more and more angry, 'Go home.'

Emma Darwin said in reply to Neil...

Hi Neil - great question. I think this is a clear instance of where the basic rule should yield to how you want the storytelling to work.

The passing mob is all one unit in a way, isn't it. Since it doesn't much matter which of the speakers says what, or how many of them say anything, or any of the other things that our conventions for paragraphing dialogue try to help with, I'd certainly be tempted to put them all in one paragraph.

Alan Fisk said...

Please tell that to Hilary Mantel. I gave up on her Tudor trilogy after reading Wolf Hall. There were too many instances of attributions like "he, Cromwell" muddling up the dialogue. I'm not willing to constantly read back to find out who is talking. It's the writer's job to make things clear for the reader.

Emma Darwin said in reply to Alan Fisk...

I think it's because she got stick from readers because her use of so much free indirect style, for both speech and thought, meant that "he" in that super-close-third-person, may be the equivalent of Cromwell's "I" if it were in first person, OR it may be an honest-to-goodness personal pronoun for someone else.

Many readers found it hard to be sure - personally I loved the slipperiness, but I do see why others don't. She took in the next two novels to making things a bit clearer - only of course that's clunkier too, when it doesn't come naturally to the writer.

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