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  1. Who is this group...really. And who funds the group?

    There is already an accrediting's quite stringent!

    This does seem to be politically motivated...perhaps the organization would like to be more open and then it might receive the cooperation it deems necessary??
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  2. "the content of the associated courses in connection with a national evaluation of schools of education"

    As a retired scientist and former university professor, I can testify that there is absolutely no link between the content of a syllabus and the QUALITY of the teaching and learning curve of the students. Teacher quality should be measured by the achievements of their students in the real world!
    Students pay a lot of money for their education and access to a syllabus, if the NCTQ and U.S. News and World Report want access to my syllabus, they should pay for it too!

    Soon such research bodies will want to have FREE access to sit and evalutate lectures!
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    • As a University professor, what would you think of a syllabus from a chemistry course that taught that atoms are the smallest units of matter? What about a math syllabus that taught that multiplication and division are unrelated and shouldn't be taught as related?

      They're going to find the ed-school equivalent of those kinds of errors. That's what they're looking for and there is a lot of it to find.

      Until recently, a major guide to early reading for the state said CAT and TEN had three syllables. That was just one of litteraly dozens of similar errors in that guide. That guide was written by a team that included several education professors and other university experts. It took years to find the errors (no one in the colleges ever caught them) and DPI had to go outside Wisconsin to get them fixed.

      That's what this is all about. That's the scale of error to be uncovered.
    • had 3 "syllables"? You mean "syllabi."

      I prepared mo than a few syllabi in my years as a UW prof. Syllabi normally do not include the kinds of information that 360guy claims. They do include prof's name, office hours, course policies (exams and dates, attendance policies, policies of late work, etc.). They also include dates material is to be covered, reading assignments, and numerous other course administration issues. Never, in all my years of teaching, did any of my course syllabi contain any of the things that 360guy claims are "taught" on a syllabus.
    • No. I meant syllables. Wisconsin's standards for early learning described CAT and TEN as 3 syllable words. They made many other errors, as well.
    • As for other material, many course syllabi in schools of education contain factually false information. Even more fail to include important topics which should be there.
  3. I agree completely with kingludwig. No relationship. However why wont UW release them? Many at UWM are already online for public access in the public access class listing as well as

    I dont by this copyright garbage at all. Perhaps NCTQ wants to see how students are graded: lab work, tests, papers, or just simply showing up to class!
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  4. I think the Universities are more afraid of people finding out some little known facts.

    For example back when I was an undergraduate student and UW-Stevens Point it was a proven fact that statistically students enrolling in early educational majors had the worst act/sat/other test scores. Yet upon graduation it was statistically proven that Early Education majors had the highest GPA within their major out of any program in the university. This is only in my experience and this can be proven by looking at open records if desired.

    You can look at this and come to your own conclusions. I already know what my own belief is.
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  5. It's so difficult to find it isn't it:
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  6. how dare a conservative group use the open records law...don't they know that only the democrats can use it! once again, hypocrites. and now how much is THIS going to cost the taxpayer? i'm sure they'll have to hire a lawyer or 2 (at taxpayers expense), sound familiar?
  7. Touchy. Touchy. How dare anyone question UW's School of Education. What are they afraid of?
  8. I can tell you exactly what the schools are worried about. They will see syllabi for courses that are wildly substandard. They will see the syllabus from UW-Stout that teaches phonics doesn't work and children should be taught to use it only as a last resort. They'll see syllabi for many courses that teach that, and much worse. They'll find courses that have taught the educational equivalent of "the Earth is flat" because professors hide behind academic freedom and are too lazy to keep up with their own fields.

    They're trying to hide their dirty laundry because they're the main perpetrators in the collapse of public education. When that becomes clear, they're vulnerable to a massive class action lawsuit to force them to provide teachers and districts with retraining to make up for what they should have done in the first place.

    When teachers realize how badly these colleges ripped them off, things are going to get ugly. The colleges are trying to hold that day off as long as possible.

    That's what this is about.
  9. NCTQ, partially funded by the Bradley Foundation,among others.'Nuff said. Part of the dumbing down of our college age students.
  10. It really doesn’t matter what the syllabi contains or what group wants it for whatever reason, it is another example of the UW system placing itself above the law. They think they are a kingdom onto themselves.


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