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What a load of crap
By tim851 on 2/17/2009 9:52:48 AM , Rating: 5

Sure, that's why all these Linux distros have gone C3PO on us...

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By Rugar on 2/17/2009 10:05:21 AM , Rating: 2
Heh... I wish I could +1 you for the C3PO. Clearly this is about to happen because Cyberdyne found technology from the future and incorporated it into our new killer robots.

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By quiksilvr on 2/17/2009 10:20:39 AM , Rating: 2
Oh for God's sake. A.I. CANNOT MAKE THEIR OWN ALGORITHMS WITHOUT US EITHER PUTTING IT THERE OR TELLING IT TO MAKE ONE THEMSELVES. How can an A.I. that was originally designed to receive orders, shoot and move magically gets insane processing power from the air and decides: "I'm gonna doughnut across the desert!" and just randomly writes its own line of code saying so? It doesn't make any goddamn sense! If it does end up doing a doughnut across the desert, 99.9999999% of the time, it's just buggy and the programmer screwed up somewhere.

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By Rugar on 2/17/2009 10:35:22 AM , Rating: 2
Wow... That so totally had to do with my comment.

And by the way, it's because of the reverse engineered chips!

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By callmeroy on 2/17/2009 11:33:40 AM , Rating: 5
First...enough already with the dramatised replies to such articles.

My hunch, albeit just a hunch...tells me the team researching this and writing this kind of code are a notch above the average run of the mill programmer who just got their degree from. Now I don't know anyone personally on these forums - so perhaps some of you are akin to a programming God , maybe you have multiple PhD's, perhaps you already have the foundations down for designing a time machine, curing cancer and solving the problem with world hunger.....BUT I think you also might just be overly down playing the skills of these folks and their knowledge just a tad.

I'm sure there's more to it that what we've already discussed here...

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By Rugar on 2/17/09, Rating: -1
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By arazok on 2/17/2009 2:53:01 PM , Rating: 5
Do you seriously think that I am actually suggesting that there is a company named Cyberdyne which reverse engineered a chip taken from the arm of a destroyed T-800 sent back in time to kill Sarah Connor?

That’s what I thought. You have no idea how relieved I am to know you weren’t serious.

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By Seemonkeyscanfly on 2/17/2009 5:23:03 PM , Rating: 2


Yea, I was worried about that too. In real life the company is call Cybertech Autonomics LLC. They had to change the name in the movie. The movie did not want to pay for the royalty rates to use the real name of the company. :)

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By bigboxes on 2/17/2009 3:39:25 PM , Rating: 5
Are you serious about being serious about this dude being serious? You can't be serious. Seriously.

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I think you missed a great dude opertunity....


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Dude. . .

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By bohhad on 2/19/2009 2:10:47 PM , Rating: 2

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By MamiyaOtaru on 2/22/2009 5:56:28 PM , Rating: 2

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By gamerk2 on 2/17/2009 11:53:31 AM , Rating: 5
Actaully, some advanced programming languages allow for the code itself to be replaced automatically at run-time depending on certain variables, so its quite possible for code to be "written" without any human involvement.

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By quiksilvr on 2/17/09, Rating: -1
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By TSS on 2/17/2009 1:37:30 PM , Rating: 3
the problem isn't in telling the bots what to do. it's telling them what to do, having a malfunction, and them not stopping.

where already telling them to kill other humans, although to us those humans are "the enemy".

this discussion is about giving robots ethics, in other words, allowing them to seperate friend from foe themselves.

which, in my oppinion, is the first step to the terminator universe. hell we try to teach a robot ethics then a human orders him to go kill another human, but not *those* humans.

where in the process does the bot learn right from wrong? and what would the bot percieve as wrong? would a bot operating for nazi germany, percieve it ethically wrong to kill jews and rise up against their masters (which would be a terminator situation).

this debate is far more philosophical then just debating wether the code is *capable* of doing it.

any player of world of warcraft will tell you that eventually, code will start to get a mind of his own. i swear that game just wants me dead at times (out of the blue for no reason pulling an entire FIELD of npc's).

RE: What a load of crap
By rudolphna on 2/17/2009 2:12:45 PM , Rating: 1
Great post, exactly my thoughts. Oh, and on the WoW thing I know exactly what you speak of. Sometimes I think there is a blizz employee sitting at a screen screwing around and doing it on purpose, lol.

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By rykerabel on 2/17/2009 3:02:11 PM , Rating: 2
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By GaryJohnson on 2/17/2009 2:15:24 PM , Rating: 2
You had me up until "world of warcraft".

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By SleepyGreg on 2/17/2009 2:56:08 PM , Rating: 2
I think the concern is that the AI is going to have a learning ability (necessary to overcome new experiences out in the field) This ability to learn and write its own code based on experience coupled with millions of lines of existing human code and its inevitable bugs gives a potential for unpredictable outcomes. I'd say it's a very real threat. We're not just talking about a hardwired machine here, it's a dynamic evolving system with millions of permutations. And there will be "surprises"

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By WayneG on 2/17/2009 1:05:00 PM , Rating: 2
So who made it in the first place?!? :O

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Robot virus FTW!

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Have you seen how we behave?;)

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You will see the Real trojan Horses...

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By Rodney McNaggerton on 2/17/2009 2:26:12 PM , Rating: 2
The idea isn't a load of crap, this article is.

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By Gul Westfale on 2/17/2009 10:24:39 PM , Rating: 1
so a robot going "terminator"...

navybot: lower your gun and surrender!
enemy soldier: NO (starts shooting)
enemy soldier: why so serious?

RE: What a load of crap
By Azsen on 2/18/2009 3:30:35 PM , Rating: 2
Ahahahaha gold!

Dunno why they're rating you down.

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By sweetsauce on 2/23/2009 2:09:20 PM , Rating: 2
you forgot

enemy soldier: you mad bro?

RE: What a load of crap
By Gideon on 2/18/2009 2:41:53 AM , Rating: 2
100% agree, that's why I think the article heading is terribly misguided (good for clicks though :D). No-one is actually talking about these robots creating a Strong AI out of the blue, rather about screwing up and causing friendly fire or doing something else unexpected causing human life loss.

With semi-autonomous robots actually pulling the trigger the risk of something like that happening is considerably higher than with previous complex military systems.

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By MrPoletski on 2/18/2009 8:40:43 AM , Rating: 2
well at least we know that if we ever lose any of these robots..

that they'll be back...

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By TheOneStorm on 2/19/2009 11:53:31 AM , Rating: 2
I'd fear ethical laws programming more than AI. The storyline depicted in "i, Robot" is in relation to ethical law programming moreso than robots turning against their humanoid creators in reference to the Terminator series.

In "i, Robot" the ethical programming of the machines became the point that humans themselves, living, is an endangerment of their own life. That robots must control our lives for our own sake because humans are susceptible to free will and have the possibility of doing wrong. Inevitably, hindering war and other human-on-human violence. How could ethical programming, in the sense of obtaining morality in forms of AI (which is what they're trying to accomplish), ever logically process the good in HELPING us in war, than backing away from war and defending itself?

I'm all for AI, and I could care less about these claims. I just thought I'd chime in because this is one of the first times I've heard of any military leadership mention "ethical programming" before.

I think MS has probably helped instill this fear of too many people working on a large codebase that could never be bug-free.
<joke>In my not-so-humble opinion, as long as MS isn't the creator of the AI "operating system", we should be fine.</joke> :)

RE: What a load of crap
By SiliconAddict on 2/20/2009 12:28:25 AM , Rating: 2
Hmmm and just because we have had decades of falures to create a real honest to God AI means that it will never happen? Look at computing power. Its come a hell of a lot closer in the past 10 years to the capability of the human brain then in the past 20. Look at our ability to program. How the hell do we know where the tipping point is between a program designed be intelligent in a narrow confine and one that has the ability to program itself. Something that starts doing thing could easily be seen as simply a programming error on the part of a human and overlooked. This is where the "code is getting to big" comes into play.
There is a certain amount of arrogance based on past failures in your statement that is exactly why an article like this should be "considered" No I'm not talking OMG! RUN FOR THE HILLS! THE ROBOTS ARE GONNA GET US! DESTROY ALL TECH NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!111oneoneone
But start taking this seriously as we move forward.

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