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08-22-2006 11:22 PM
hellosailor Bill-
"What in the world would I need as far as
documentation from the owner so that I ACTUALLY
own the boat after paying for it?"
Your best bet is to contact the USCG Vessel Documentation Center directly, they can tell you what is required to register/title and/or document the boat in the US. There is specific paperwork that is and is not acceptable.
Similarly, you would need to contact the embassy for whatever country "your" purchase is located in. As a non-citizen of that country, you may not be able to get the equivalent of documentation. But whatever you can get--you'll want to confirm it directly with their authorities before you go. If you are dealing with an established brokerage, they may be familiar with it--but verify it directly.
You wouldn't want to find out you'd bought a boat, sailed it home, and then someone filed a title lien on it because you didn't know something, right? And, coming into the US from South America...wouldn't you really rather be SURE the USCG was going to let you in?

Back on Johny's topic...
is the actual visa application form for visitors coming to the US. Among the questions are who will pay for your trip, where and how long are you staying, who is your employer or school, and have you ever been convicted. The actual criteria are not listed, but I would suspect that if someone said "Well, I'm not really staying anyplace, I'm not staying with anyone, and I'm not employed" they would say no visa.
And that's actually the global NORM. For big nations and small ones. Flying or sailing IN and planning to hoof it out? Many will require some kind of proof that you're financially able, or that the exit ticket is prepaid regardless of whether you use it.
But when you don't have specific answers for the visa application questions....Uhuh.
08-22-2006 07:12 PM
MileHigh Thank you again sailingdog.
Good things to hear.

08-22-2006 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by Cruisingdad
Which is why I always fly the CrossBones flag. THere is honor amongst thieves. HAHA
So what do you do when the US Navy pulls along side?? LOL
08-22-2006 06:19 PM
08-22-2006 06:14 PM
sailingdog There are advantages to sailing under an American flag. The US Navy is currently engaging pirates in some of the worst hit areas, and being a US-flagged vessel makes it more likely they will help you.

That said, most pirates are not really all that interested in smaller, older boats, as there isn't as much to gain from attacking them. The bigger yatchs are definitely ripe targets...
08-22-2006 05:40 PM
MileHigh Yes, that does make sense. I will rephrase,
Where would you not want to sail as an
American vessel?

Thanks again,
08-18-2006 11:22 PM
sailingdog Depends on where you're sailing...
08-18-2006 10:58 PM
Thank you

Thank you for the information sailing dog.
I really appreciate it! Is it possible that an
American flagged boat is more of a 'target'
these days, times being what they are?

08-18-2006 08:58 PM
sailingdog If you can register her in Brazil, you can sail her under the Brazillian flag, other wise you should probably get her documented in the United States. USCG documentation is far more advantageous for a boat bound for foreign shores, if you are an American Citizen....if you're not, you're not allowed to USCG document a boat.

USCG documentation is internationally recognized, where state registration is not. In many countries, with a USCG documented boat, you can check in with Customs, and then check out, and pay just a single fee to the country... with a state registered boat, you may have to pay the fee at each port and check in and out at each port.

If your boat is USCG documented, it is internationally recoginized as a flagged vessel of the United States and gives you some legal protections not available to a state-registered boat.

Getting financing is often easier on a USCG documented boat.

USCG documentation is often cheaper if you intend to keep the boat a long it is a one time fee of $300, and renewal is free. State registration is an annual fee....not as expensive usually, but over the years more expensive.

Generally, for ownership, it depends on the country and place the boat is currently registered.... often you need the Builder's certificate and the title. You would probably need to consult a broker or marine law attorney to do this properly.

Getting insurance may be possible, but I'd imagine would require a full-survey by a competent surveyor that is approved by your insurance company for plywood boats.
08-18-2006 10:02 AM
Sonofasonofasailor Nice hi-jack of an outrageous thread.
At least there are now legitimate questions and discussions to be had.
Sorry though I cannot help you with the answers.

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